The scoop from Larry....

in regards to the MSD BTM, i would go with the JR BTC instead.
As for clutch, go w/ ACT HPP and street disc.

I know some rally drivers here and they all agree that Quaife diff are not made for them, they'll break them in no time. On the other hand, I'm really happy with mine, it does what I want it to do and I've never seen ===-===-== with it, only =========== and the 100+ feet burnout I did yesterday clearly proves it.

[This message has been edited by Civic TSI (edited August 27, 2000).]

2 of my friends have the Kazz units and 1 has the quaife and I must say that the quaife is the winner in that area. The kazz make some god awlful noises, grind, clank, clunk, its just nasty. Its sounds like something is broken all the time and you can "feel" it in the turning of the car. Im going to fet the quaife, all I have to do is save and get the clutch and stuff.
just my two cents
nick

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95 GSR 4-DR w/minor bolt-on looking for boost!

if you properly break in the KAAZ it doesnt make that much noise, just a light ratcheting sound. Its a race product so what do you expect?

I understand that its for racing Im just saying for that amount of $ the quaife more worth it. How do you break in a diff? They both got them installed with a new clutch and they both waited the right amount of time for break in, so I dont know how much "break in" factor there is...?


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95 GSR 4-DR w/minor bolt-on looking for boost!

KAAZ you have to break in by doing figure 8's for like 30min. I'd have to check my instructions, I haven't done it yet. KAAZ's are sturdier than quaife. Glad I got a one.

thanks vactor for the clairification.


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95 GSR 4-DR w/minor bolt-on looking for boost!

Greg (vtec4gs),

I am stunned that you know of so many Quaife failures in Honda applications... Ralph at Autotech claims that they have not seen the first failure !!! So, have your friends send them in to be inspected... if there are modifications/improvements that need to be made to the design, I believe that Quaife would make them. As of now, they have not had any reason to improve on the design.

Incidentally, BOTH of my Quaife LSD's work just fine... and I drive my cars like I hate 'em.


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'93 Civic Si H/B with B18C1, JRSC @ 8psi
Best 1320: 12.68 at 110 mph

Diffs:
the Kaaz is meant for racing, and explicitly has NO warranty. the break in is a joke, as it did NOTHING for the 2 GSR Kaaz's i know of. both did ~45 minutes of "8"s in my neighborhood lot, and changed fluid. both sound broken, and people in the street comment on this (pedestrians). the instructions also state that the fluid must be changed every 3000 _km_ and the unit rebuilt every 30,000 _km_. a;so, the ===__=== debate of a burnout has nothing to do with a diff, as the length / mass of the axles determine torque to the wheels, and this is why the ATB behaves differently, as each axle can only handle so much, and one can see it transfering the power in the different skid marks. Quaife has a FULL lifetime warranty, and Ralph at Autotech is also nice guy :P
either one will transform your car into a real performer. the question really is one of personal preference. try to drive cars with both, and see what works for you. in my mind, the quaife warranty and smooth operation outweighed the non-existant 'better' performance of a clutch type.

I hate my Kaaz. Since starting to drive it everyday it is way tooo loud, it acts weird in slow corners making more noises and causing actual bumping and jumping in the wheels. Hard to describe, but not hard to forget. As well no warranty and the need to rebuild at an undisclosed interval (one that no one can really help with) and change fluid as often as your oil really sucks. On the other hand it does what it is supposed to, it transformed the car. I drove a Quaiffe and my only complaint is the weird way it pulls back and forth when you accellerate hard, where mine just locks dead straight and goes. In the corners they feel the same. But Quaiffe is QUIET and no rebuild expense (500 bucks for removal and parts) and I think it is worth every penny above the Kaaz. So in the end buy a Quaife, you'll be happier. I will buy one when this thing needs rebuilding since I want less maintenence rather than more.

And if Larry hasnt broken his yet with the monster of a car he has, I really doubt anyone could break it. I seriously think you would need to be incompetent to break it, but on the same token I think that Quaife america might be under reporting to the public how many are actually broken or defective.

Steve